Forrest Smith, founder and CEO of Kineon (code: BIOHACKINGBRITTANY), talks about what actually happens inside your cells, joints, gut, and brain when you use targeted red and near-infrared laser therapy. We unpack how the MOVE+ Pro and Kineon’s new gut–brain protocols are being used for thyroid health, chronic pain, C-section scars, migraines, fertility, and even long-term brain health.
As a postpartum mom who uses the MOVE+ on my C-section scar and lower back, this episode is very personal. Forrest shares specific protocols, how to avoid NSAID overuse, why dosing and depth of light matter, and early research on using lasers for menstrual pain, endometriosis, and infertility.
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We talk about:
05:10 - How Forrest habit-stacks Kineon into his morning routine for cardiovascular and immune health
10:05 - Gut mucosal healing, leaky gut, and how lasers support tight junctions and reduce systemic inflammation
13:30 - Lasers vs LED panels and masks, and why depth and dosing matter for joints, brain, and organs
17:20 - The ideal daily protocol: How many minutes, how often, and how to habit-stack for long-term consistency
21:50 - Acute injury recovery: What to do in the first week after a fall, sprain, or sports injury
27:05 - The hidden cardiovascular risks of chronic NSAID use and why “just taking Advil” is not benign
29:30 - Migraine protocols, laser placements, and why photobiomodulation can outperform pharmaceuticals
35:25 - C-section and surgical scars: when to start, how long to treat, and what to expect months or years later
39:50 - Fertility trials, systemic inflammation, and laser protocols that changed pregnancy outcomes
43:20 - The future: deeper organ targeting for liver, kidneys, gut–brain–liver axes and appendix-related inflammation
48:05 - Microvascular health, Alzheimer’s risk, and why brain-directed lasers may change neurodegenerative care
Questions answered in this episode:
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How does Kineon’s MOVE+ Pro actually work inside your blood vessels, joints, and gut on a cellular level?
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Can treating the carotid arteries and gut with lasers really improve cardiovascular health, energy, and immune resilience as you age?
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How are women using laser therapy on the thyroid for Hashimoto’s, perimenopause, low energy, cold hands and feet, and weight gain?
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What is the difference between a red light face mask or panel and Kineon’s laser-based device when it comes to inflammation, joints, and internal organs?
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What daily protocol does Forrest recommend for chronic joint pain versus acute injuries like falls, sprains, or postpartum back pain?
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How risky are NSAIDs like ibuprofen for your cardiovascular system when used for months, and how can lasers replace this habit for chronic pain?
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How can photobiomodulation reduce migraine days per month and what are the realistic expectations if you use it every day?
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Is it too late to change a C-section scar years later, and how does consistent laser use remodel scar tissue over time?
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What have early fertility and endometriosis studies shown when women use non-uterine, non-ovarian laser protocols to lower systemic inflammation?
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How might deeper organ-focused lasers support the gut–brain–liver axis, metabolic health, and even long-term brain outcomes like dementia risk?
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What could future full-body or multi-organ laser systems look like, and how might that change the way we think about longevity medicine?
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